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That we are finding ways somehow to keep students eligible who really don’t belong on campus. And even community colleges in some cases. So the basic hypocrisy is, that you’re pretending that the original British University model, that these are students who have activities outside of class which are good for their health and enjoyment. And if you want to come and watch, okay, but if you don’t we’re having fun.
Richard Armitage, Former Dean, Graduate School, Vice President Emeritus, The Ohio State University
The Ohio State University Archives
Oral History Project
Videotaped: May 28, 2002
Interviewer: Richard K. Patterson
Excerpt Of Commentary By Professor Richard Armitage
Dean, OSU Graduate School
OSU Athletic Council 1958-1970 — Chairman 1963-64 and 1969-1970
Emeritus Vice President, The Ohio State University
Athletic Department Oversight [ See PDF Page 43 ]
Headers in the excepted materials below are not part of the original document. The full and unexpurgated transcript may be examined in its entirety here.
And all that time increasing money going to athletics and money being spent for facilities and twenty coaches instead of ten coaches for a sport, in order to remain competitive with another institution. So that the athletic departments support each other in a sense. As soon as we get a faculty, they have to have one. If they have a linebacker coach who coaches only the middle linebacker, we have to have an extra linebacker coach, specialists. You see? And athletics succeeded in doing that. And this is one of the things that’s the matter with athletics, together with others.
Hypocrisy In Big Time Athletics
On athletics, the expansion of personnel and facilities and expense of salaries and follow that, have reached a stage where I just don’t know what the future will be. Ohio State, while I was on the Athletic Council, was among those universities that went on to aid programs, direct grants to students, rather than getting them fake jobs.
Why? Because the fake jobs were an evidence of the hypocrisy associated with the program at that time. We felt that we brought things above board. You are a student here, you don’t have to go out and pretend to have a job and take that money to support yourself. We will pay for your education. In many institutions, including University of Michigan, distinguished academic institution, they’ve had problems, alumni or supporters have given cars to them. They then wreck the cars and one on wild parties and gotten bad publicity and that kind of thing. So some controls need to be.
Reigning In The NCAA
When the Knight commission was formed in 1990, 1991 and Father Hesberg was a member of it, to study intercollegiate athletics and make recommendations, and it was at that time that they recommended that more university presidents get involved in the national NCAA, and begin to establish more controls and to reform what needed to be reformed and find out what needed to be reformed.
I wrote a letter to Father Hesberg, through Father Hesberg, to I think he served as Secretary to the Notre Dame President or retired Notre Dame President. And I had actually had had, making a far out proposal. The basic problem from the point of view from a person who has been a faculty member and a teacher and a scholar on a campus, about what’s happening in athletics is the hypocrisy that’s involved.
Hypocrisy In Academic Standards
Look at the graduation rate. It’s gone down, down, down, down over the 70’s and 80’s institution by institution, except for the Ivy League and Stanford. That we are finding ways somehow to keep students eligible who really don’t belong on campus. And even community colleges in some cases. So the basic hypocrisy is, that you’re pretending that the original British University model, that these are students who have activities outside of class which are good for their health and enjoyment. And if you want to come and watch, okay, but if you don’t we’re having fun.
As in the intramural programs, whether your intramural program be at Oberlin College or Ohio State or Harvard or Miami or Ohio U. But that’s not what we’re doing now with the intercollegiate program, particularly in football and basketball. And I made a proposal. I probably have a copy of it somewhere. I might have brought it. I should have brought it with me. Formal proposal which they acknowledged. And later I sent in shorter versions of the Chronicle of Higher Education and a letter of mine was published one time.
Development Of Athletic Skills Absent Academic Requirement
I said, “Why don’t you recognize that you are bringing these students here because they possess a skill, just as my son is a piano player. He’s taken ten years of piano. He has a skill as a pianist. I could send him to a music conservatory and on the basis of his skill, they would develop these skills further. It has nothing to do with his preparation in chemistry or physics or history or English literature, or a foreign language, to prepare one for college out of high school.
So why don’t we create on campuses an institute of athletics or athletics institute. And you can do the same thing in drama and in music. They are skills, entertainment skills, and require practice, etc., and are related, music and drama to be sure more closely, but the argument could be made equally, as athletics to the central, because we do teach anatomy and kineseology and things like that on the campus. Require these students who didn’t qualify for admission as regular students at the University, however. You require them because you are helping prepare them for a possible future professional life with English for them only. English. Basic skills. And some of the things they’ve missed in high school and those who are successful in these, if they want to move over and become regular students they may.
Equally regular students, if some all star quarterback is a B+ student, he should be allowed to attend University and graduate as a B+ student and go on to law school or medical school or whatever. But he should be allowed to participate in athletics too, if he qualifies for the skill.
Then what you have done is you have isolated those students who are not regular students. You’re giving them an opportunity to qualify as students if they want, or if they don’t, they don’t. And then you have a time limit of whatever it takes, three or four years, make up your mind that they can be members there.
But no more than three or four years. And then you’ve clearly identified what it is that they’re there for primarily. That’s the point. They’re primarily there for that. Whereas, the guy in the business school who is also an excellent baseball pitcher, is there for business school and also pitches on the baseball team, which is the way it used to be. In the Ivy League, who invented all this across the Atlantic Ocean from the British institutions.
End Hypocrisy Of ‘Pretend Students’
You don’t have intercollegiate athletics in Germany and France and Spain. Even in the Soviet Union. I mean, you have athletics but not the way we do. I mean, it’s unique to the United States. And furthermore, we’re faced with the reality that we have so much money invested in stadiums and 20,000 capacity Enron centers, supported some of them by industry, for advertising purposes, we can’t just let those … we have an obligation now to use them. But let’s use them honestly without the hypocrisy of pretending that these are bona fide University students, all of them, because they’re not. And separate them out.
There’s a professor at the University of Indiana, an English professor, whose written several books, criticizing intercollegiate athletics. I forget his name, Gorby or something like that. He heard about this and he wrote. And we were on the telephone one time. And he just wants to cut out of intercollegiate athletics in their present state and start over again. And he just says, “I don’t think is possible.
I said, “Well, I don’t sometimes either but on the other hand it seems to me it’s a way to start without damaging what you already have.” So it’s the hypocrisy that bothers me most. It’s dishonest. And the hypocrisy of pretending you’re not supporting players in certain distinguished universities, when they’re obviously suddenly driving a $40,000 SUV and you ask him, “Wow, where did you get that?” And he says, “It belongs to my mother.” And these questionable situations all over the country. It’s dishonest.
Making Clear That Intercollegiate Athletics Are Professional Sports
It’s telling the public one thing and the support is the University but doing everything you can to compete successfully in hope it will raise money for the University. And I admire. That’s why the University of Chicago dropped out of the Big Ten. When I was a senior at Oberlin College, I was on the basketball team and we played Michigan State, which was not yet a university, on a Christmas tour. And played the University of Chicago. They both defeated us but University of Chicago had the highly respectable teams in football. And they just said, “Enough,” and went back to Division III. A philosophy professor of mine named Marvin Fox at Ohio State, wonderful teacher, Jewish rabbi and University of Chicago, Northwestern graduate and went on to another college.
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